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"CalzoneGolem" (calzonegolem)
10/22/2013 at 15:27 • Filed to: None

http://maine.craigslist.org/cto/4027557989…

DISCUSSION (28)

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:31

Doesn't seem like a bad idea, if I'm honest. I wouldn't do it, because V8 exhaust note, but it's kind of neat.

dropthatclutch > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:33

Coulda had a V8. *smack*

Makoyouidiot > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:33

Kinja'd!!!

Hmmm.

CalzoneGolem > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
10/22/2013 at 15:34

Less weight over the nose than a v8

offroadkarter > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:34

what about it? He has an eaton blower using the X-charger kit from explorer express.... people DO build v6 mustangs you know

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:35

It's kind of cool.

Fun different way to have a high performance mustang. supercharger quote is on the money too.

GhostZ > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:35

Modifying Mustang V6s was actually very common in the 2005-2009 era, since the V6 was only .6l of displacement away from the V8, significantly lighter, and there were a number of supercharger and turbocharger parts available. The 4.6 was a relatively new engine, and the 4.0 had been around for a while, and the 4.6's biggest advantage was in dual camshafts and true dual exhaust, but otherwise wasn't much more technologically impressive than the SOHC V6.

This means that for those years, it's actually easier to make a better power/weight ratio with a mildly built V6 (300HP from 4 liters, using a factory supercharger + cam and exhaust, potentials up to 400HP from the same setup depending on how much you spend) than to buy a 4.6 GT for significantly more.

It changed about 3-4 years ago when the stock engine switched to the 3.7l duratec. By then parts to build a 4.6l engine had gotten much cheaper and readily available, and as both the GT and V6 depreciated, 2005-2009 models got closer together in price (from GT and V6) so the window for getting more power for cheaper by going with a V6 closed up.

Now it costs more to get a 2005 Mustang V6 above 2005 Mustang GT levels, than it is to just buy a GT, but that wasn't always the case.

Milky > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:36

Err so maybe it makes 300hp out of that piece of metal they called a engine.

CalzoneGolem > offroadkarter
10/22/2013 at 15:37

What percentage of 'Stangs are supercharged and what percentage of them are v6s? We are talking low low numbers here bub.

GhostZ > offroadkarter
10/22/2013 at 15:38

I saw a great article in Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords a few years ago about a guy who built a Turbo V6 for less than a GT, and would run track times better than a Boss 302. It was a beautiful, awesome car.

CalzoneGolem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
10/22/2013 at 15:38

Everyone loves a supercharged 6!

Kinja'd!!!

Chase > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:39

Interesting. my Ranger has the same engine.... XD

GhostZ > Milky
10/22/2013 at 15:40

The engine made 250 ft/lbs stock, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was closer to 320-330HP. Considering that the GT model (which costs about 5000$ more to buy now anyway) only made 300HP, it seems rather reasonable actually. It's not the case anymore, but there was an awkward period where a 2005 V6 was cheaper to get to 300HP than buying a stock 300HP GT.

offroadkarter > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:40

okay its more "unique" than a v8 build in a mustang

CalzoneGolem > Chase
10/22/2013 at 15:40

Well, now you know what to buy next.

offroadkarter > GhostZ
10/22/2013 at 15:41

I'd love to get my car in that mag one day lol

The new 3.7 mustangs are impressive machines, I'm sure in a few years we'll see a bigger 3.7 aftermarket.

V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:41

Buddy of mine just installed a Vortech on his 2006 V6. Got the kit used from another mutual friend for CHEAP after the first guy turned his car back to stock and traded it in. It has a dual exhaust conversion with the stock V8 manual transmission mufflers (yes, the V8 manual and auto trans equipped cars have different mufflers).

Made 292 HP/299TQ on a dyno to the tires. A non-modified 4.6 3v V8 that came in the same year car will make slightly less on a dyno than that.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:42

Umm. Those are turboed I thought?

CalzoneGolem > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
10/22/2013 at 15:47

You're right.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 15:57

everyone loves forced induction V6s!!!

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > CalzoneGolem
10/22/2013 at 16:18

Milky > GhostZ
10/22/2013 at 20:22

I don't know why you jumped from lb-ft to hp .....

But either way a few minutes on google says that V6 made 240 lb-ft, and with a procharger the hp jumps from 210 to 290. Not the same supercharger as the one here, but the best I could find.

Sooooo yeaaaa .... nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Must…

http://www.americanmuscle.com/mustang-vortec…

GhostZ > Milky
10/22/2013 at 22:10

lb/ft is an indicator of an engine's potential output based on its efficiency and displacement. If the engine peaks at 245 ft/lbs, that means that 300HP is entirely possible by adjusting where the torque peaks (in this case, putting it around 6400 RPM) through new cam timing/profile, intake configuration, head and valve configuration, and exhaust configuration. If an engine can make 600 ft/lbs at 3000rpm, then that same displacement and efficiency can make 600 ft/lbs at 6000rpm, provided the parts can still handle the power, the valve timing is correct, and the volumetric efficiency can stay up.

That being said, if you can bump HP up to 50 HP with N/A adjustments by just moving the torque peak up, then I am certain that 300 cheap HP is possible by boosting the engine. So in that case, it's not a matter of making "100 more HP" it's a matter of increasing the VEs at the highest RPM the engine can run, the potential exists (as demonstrated by the torque number).

Now, obviously the trade off to this type of adjustment would be a lack of lower-end torque, so the car would suck more fuel and need to stay at higher revs to make significant power, but a supercharger that flows great at higher RPMs is rarely going to drop power at lower RPMs too, unless the drain is actually more than the boost at low RPM.

Milky > GhostZ
10/22/2013 at 22:23

You just got really technical, for a guy who slapped a supercharger on a V6 mustang.

GhostZ > Milky
10/22/2013 at 22:26

I'm just saying that the numbers indicate that the power numbers are easily possible, to help explain why someone would slap a supercharger on a V6 mustang, and why it makes sense in certain situations compared to getting a GT.

Milky > GhostZ
10/22/2013 at 22:33

My original statement, while being uninformed, was still pretty sound according to the procharger site.

And this is all completely IMO now, why the hell would you mod a 4 liter V6 mustang? I can maybe see the new 3.7l. But that boat anchor of a motor is a pile. Not to mention for those few minutes I was looking up stats earlier, somewhere on a forum a couple people said the engine maxes out at 400hp. So why start with engine that will be hard to get better than the V8?

GhostZ > Milky
10/22/2013 at 22:39

Cost and weight. It doesn't make sense now , but for a period around 2008-2010, a 2005 V6 mustang was so much cheaper than a GT (since the GTs were still holding their value and the V6 plummeted) that you could buy a used V6, supercharge it, and end up with a faster car than a base 300HP GT. This is all because the V6 was only .6 liters away from the GT in displacement, a little lighter (I think) than the heavy modular engine, and significantly cheaper to get ahold of and insure. Being an older engine, there were also way more parts available to cheaply build them than the relatively new 4.6.

After 2010, with the refresh, 2005-2009 GTs came back down to earth and people finally were able to get cheap and effective tuning out for the much-newer 4.6l engine, so that opportunity closed up.

Milky > GhostZ
10/22/2013 at 22:44

But ........... ....

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Modifying a car that starts off with 210hp out of four liters, because you want to go fast makes about as much sense as turtle fishing with a platypus as bait.